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| If any of the above strikes you as being a bit incompatible with solarpunk values, you're not alone. Including these regions in a solarpunk setting would likely take more than just swapping in electric cars. A more solarpunk version of these communities would probably look similar to how they did in the past - denser, walkable towns and villages linked by rail and other public transit, with much more sparsely-settled land in between, including farms, homesteads, and occasional commuter holdouts. We'll get into these changes in greater detail in the next sections. | If any of the above strikes you as being a bit incompatible with solarpunk values, you're not alone. Including these regions in a solarpunk setting would likely take more than just swapping in electric cars. A more solarpunk version of these communities would probably look similar to how they did in the past - denser, walkable towns and villages linked by rail and other public transit, with much more sparsely-settled land in between, including farms, homesteads, and occasional commuter holdouts. We'll get into these changes in greater detail in the next sections. |
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| This kind of mass resettlement is obviously a nonstarter for the people who've moved to exurbs specifically to live someplace where they can't see their neighbors. These houses are impractically located but they're somebody's home, and there's a lot of identity tied up in living in a 'rural' place, even if the rest of the lifestyle is missing. Its likely impossible to convince people to give up home (and their sizable investment in land and construction) - (un)fortunately it looks like the impending climate disaster and other societal crumbles may do that for us. | This kind of mass resettlement is obviously a nonstarter for the people who've moved to exurbs specifically to live someplace where they can't see their neighbors. These houses are impractically located but they're somebody's home, and there's a lot of identity tied up in living in a 'rural' place, even if the rest of the lifestyle is missing. It's likely impossible to convince people to give up home (and their sizable investment in land and construction) - (un)fortunately it looks like the impending climate disaster and other societal crumbles may do that for us. |
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| The exurb format is basically inherently impractical, dependent on long supply chains and especially on a subsidized auto industry and cheap, subsidized fuel. Any disruption to these systems can cause outsized problems for exurban residents who drive further, have fewer alternative options (for transportation, work, supplies etc), and who depend on longer logistics lines than other communities. Perhaps more significantly, in times of shortages and disruption, these towns may lack the population and municipal coordination necessary to advocate for themselves over larger neighboring communities. If resources are limited, it's likely going to be easier to justify providing aid to a city of a hundred thousand than to a town of two thousand. This already happens in the event of natural disasters, and it may prove especially true in the sort of slow decline and less-visible hardship these towns may face, without showy, media-worthy evidence to call attention to their situation. | The exurb format is basically inherently impractical, dependent on long supply chains and especially on a subsidized auto industry and cheap, subsidized fuel. Any disruption to these systems can cause outsized problems for exurban residents who drive further, have fewer alternative options (for transportation, work, supplies etc), and who depend on longer logistics lines than other communities. Perhaps more significantly, in times of shortages and disruption, these towns may lack the population and municipal coordination necessary to advocate for themselves over larger neighboring communities. If resources are limited, it's likely going to be easier to justify providing aid to a city of a hundred thousand than to a town of two thousand. This already happens in the event of natural disasters, and it may prove especially true in the sort of slow decline and less-visible hardship these towns may face, without showy, media-worthy evidence to call attention to their situation. |
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| Almost every aspect of modern life depends on incredibly complex web of supply lines - it's not enough to just note that manufacturing starts with resources which are extracted from remote locations (whether that's mines, oil wells, or timber forests) and are transported for refinement, because the mines etc and transportation industries also rely on heavy machinery, replacement parts, fuel and lubricants, electricity, from the existing network of extraction, transportation, and manufacturing. The resources are refined in various stages at various facilities around the world (most of which are themselves incredibly complex and dependent on external inputs), and are then transported and used to produce parts which are transported, assembled into a final object, transported, sold, and transported home. Just from COVID and recent tariffs we've gotten some glimpses to just how thoroughly disruptions in one area can break things all over, to say nothing of components like complex electronic chips which are only produced in one or two geographic regions. Climate Change and the wars, pandemics, and other disasters which flow from it can all cause cascading issues and outright collapse. Even when items are produced, will the transportation fleet be up to moving them? Without fuel and replacement parts and new truck production to replace losses, our logistics network will weaken or break. Similarly, the transportation infrastructure, roads and bridges is already experiencing infrastructure debt from decades of austerity/neglect, and is also dependent on steel, concrete, asphalt, and other materials with long supply chains. When it becomes harder to transport goods, and goods are scarce, will corporations bother shipping them to their most remote retail locations? Will states transport aid past larger cities with dense, easier-to-reach populations in need in order to help scattered populations on the outskirts? | Almost every aspect of modern life depends on incredibly complex web of supply lines - it's not enough to just note that manufacturing starts with resources which are extracted from remote locations (whether that's mines, oil wells, or timber forests) and are transported for refinement, because the mines etc and transportation industries also rely on heavy machinery, replacement parts, fuel and lubricants, electricity, from the existing network of extraction, transportation, and manufacturing. The resources are refined in various stages at various facilities around the world (most of which are themselves incredibly complex and dependent on external inputs), and are then transported and used to produce parts which are transported, assembled into a final object, transported, sold, and transported home. We've seen recently that even relatively gentle disruptions like COVID and recent tariffs can break things all over, to say nothing of components like complex electronic chips which are only produced in one or two geographic locations. Climate Change and the wars, pandemics, and other disasters which flow from it can all cause cascading issues which push this complex network to outright collapse. Even when items are produced, will the transportation fleet be up to moving them? Without fuel and replacement parts and new truck production to replace losses, our logistics network will weaken or break. Similarly, the transportation infrastructure, roads and bridges is already experiencing infrastructure debt from decades of austerity/neglect, and is also dependent on steel, concrete, asphalt, and other materials with long supply chains. When it becomes harder to transport goods, and goods are scarce, will corporations bother shipping them to their most remote retail locations? Will states transport aid past cities and large towns with dense, easier-to-reach populations in need in order to help scattered populations on the outskirts? |
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| Life in exurbs could become much more difficult in these circumstances. Food, fuel, heating oil, and durable goods may become expensive or simply hard to find at any price. Construction materials necessary to continue development or to upkeep existing buildings may become scarce. Roads may become even more expensive to maintain and vehicles damaged by accidents or poor road conditions may be much more expensive or impossible to repair for lack of parts. As the existing fleet dwindles, replacement vehicles will climb in price. | Life in exurbs could become much more difficult in these circumstances. Food, fuel, heating oil, and durable goods may become expensive or simply hard to find at any price. Construction materials necessary to continue development or to upkeep existing buildings may become scarce. Roads and power infrastructure may become even more expensive to maintain and vehicles damaged by accidents or poor road conditions may be much more expensive or impossible to repair for lack of parts. As the existing fleet dwindles, replacement vehicles will climb in price. |
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| There will always be some who value home over all else and will change whatever they have to to make it work. They may represent homesteaders in a future solarpunk setting. But others might move closer to the rest of society. This might not start as a permanent commitment, they might stay with friends or relatives near work, set up a camper in a driveway, or if things are desperate enough, follow long human tradition and build slums and encampments near whatever looks like opportunity. This is a messy, ugly stage in a transition, but it's not a terribly unlikely one. The scope and scale of this cascading series of crisis and the population shifts which follow from them will depend mostly on your optimism as a writer. | There will always be some who value home over all else and will change whatever they have to to make it work. They may represent homesteaders in a future solarpunk setting. But others might move closer to the rest of society. This might not start as a permanent commitment, they might stay with friends or relatives near work, set up a camper in a driveway, or if things are desperate enough, follow long human tradition and build slums and encampments near whatever looks like opportunity. This is a messy, ugly stage in a transition, but it's not a terribly unlikely one. The scope and scale of this cascading series of crisis and the population shifts which follow from them will depend mostly on your optimism as a writer. |
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| I will note that the following changes are likely going to be easier to justify if your story is set during or after societal crumbles from climate change, pandemics, war, etc than if it's a bright green future utopia. If resources are plentiful or even post-scarcity and have been the whole time, its hard to see any reason why rural communities would give up their cars, let alone their sprawling, ever-spreading development. | I will note that the following changes are likely going to be easier to justify if your story is set during or after societal crumbles from climate change, pandemics, war, etc than if it's a bright green future utopia. If resources are plentiful or even post-scarcity and have been the whole time, it's hard to see any reason why rural communities would give up their cars, let alone their sprawling, ever-spreading development. |
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| === Roads === | === Roads === |
| Even if your setting //doesn't// feature a period of societal crumbles it's possible that the road network will decline. To put it bluntly, a society where most people take trains, ropeways, bus, ferry, or other public transit, ride bikes, and live in denser communities might find themselves wondering why they need to maintain an extensive and costly autoroad network. | Even if your setting //doesn't// feature a period of societal crumbles it's possible that the road network will decline. To put it bluntly, a society where most people take trains, ropeways, bus, ferry, or other public transit, ride bikes, and live in denser communities might find themselves wondering why they need to maintain an extensive and costly autoroad network. |
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| Either way, the end result may be a road network that is mostly used only for local travel, and is primarily traversed by [[personal_vehicles|low-speed vehicles which are suitable for the new conditions]]. In this context existing autoroads may be breaking up and returning to dirt, becoming narrow or overgrown, and be maintained mostly by the people who use them rather than government organizations. If large areas have depopulated, its even possible that the remaining population will blaze new trails which meet their current needs and fit their more offroad-capable vehicles through once-occupied properties. Gradually this new network of old roads and new trails may look more like a complex web of modern-day snowmobile trails or class-six roads than the highly-regulated highways maintained today. Its also possible that some roads or even entire swaths of the road network [[seasonal_roads|may become seasonal]] again. | Either way, the end result may be a road network that is mostly used only for local travel, and is primarily traversed by [[personal_vehicles|low-speed vehicles which are suitable for the new conditions]]. In this context existing autoroads may be breaking up and returning to dirt, becoming narrow or overgrown, and be maintained mostly by the people who use them rather than government organizations. If large areas have depopulated, it's even possible that the remaining population will blaze new trails which meet their current needs and fit their more offroad-capable vehicles through once-occupied properties. Gradually this new network of old roads and new trails may look more like a complex web of modern-day snowmobile trails or class-six roads than the highly-regulated highways maintained today. It's also possible that some roads or even entire swaths of the road network [[seasonal_roads|may become seasonal]] again. |
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| === Community Layout === | === Community Layout === |
| **Modern public transit** | **Modern public transit** |
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| We've lost a lot of our public transit network over the last hundred years, but the relevant technology has also improved quite a bit. The important thing is to set up [[https://humantransit.org/2011/12/outtake-on-endearing-but-useless-transit.html|good, reliable, frequent public transit]] connecting the places where people have resettled. A rebuilt network could include high speed rail corridors where it's possible to build new HSR tracks (though finding suitable right-of-ways or dealing with various stakeholders who may be in the way is always going to be challenging, though this might be made easier if rural areas have depopulated somewhat). HSR would likely be focused mostly on connecting major cities though it should be possible to transfer from local transport networks at various stops on the route. | We've lost a lot of our public transit network over the last hundred years, but the relevant technology has also improved quite a bit. The important thing is to set up [[https://humantransit.org/2011/12/outtake-on-endearing-but-useless-transit.html|good, reliable, frequent public transit]] connecting the places where people have resettled. A rebuilt network could include modern high speed rail corridors where it's possible to build new HSR tracks (though finding suitable right-of-ways or dealing with various stakeholders who may be in the way is always going to be challenging - this might be made easier if rural areas have depopulated somewhat). HSR would likely be aimed mostly towards connecting major cities though it should be possible to transfer from local transport networks at various stops on the route. |
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| If your setting includes airships it probably makes sense for them to operate between cities or large towns. The economics of airships (and the square-cube law) mean they're more effective at larger sizes, so they'd likely be closer in capacity to a train than a bus. | If your setting includes airships it probably makes sense for them to operate between cities or large towns. The economics of airships (and the square-cube law) mean they're more effective at larger sizes, so they'd likely be closer in capacity to a train than a bus. |
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| For more local travel, you might instead work towards reliable electric trains running on existing tracks (or rebuilt tracks on existing right-of-ways) connecting the larger towns. Trains have tighter requirements on grade/slope and the sharpness of curves than automobiles so existing/historic tracks are probably the easiest starting point as the survey work and much of the construction is already done. In flatter country, it might be easier to convert roads into tracks. Within large towns you might also include buses, streetcars, or trams (or [[https://www.eurogunzel.com/2018/09/freight-trams-of-europe/|freight trams]]). | For more local rail, a rebuilding society might work towards reliable electric trains running on existing tracks (or rebuilt tracks on existing right-of-ways) connecting the larger towns. Trains have tighter requirements on grade/slope and the sharpness of curves than automobiles so existing/historic tracks are probably the easiest starting point as the survey work and much of the construction is already done. In flatter country, it might be easier to convert roads into tracks. Within large towns you might also include buses, streetcars, or trams (or [[https://www.eurogunzel.com/2018/09/freight-trams-of-europe/|freight trams]]). |
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| For smaller towns with tracks (perhaps old branch or spur lines) but with less ridership/cargo, electric trams, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doodlebug_(railcar)|self propelled railcars]], or railbuses may make more sense. These vehicles are smaller and cheaper to operate so switching to them could enable frequent, reliable service on an otherwise quiet track. | For smaller towns with access to tracks (perhaps on old branch or spur lines) but with less ridership/cargo, electric trams, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doodlebug_(railcar)|self propelled railcars]], or railbuses may make more sense. These vehicles are smaller and cheaper to operate so switching to them could enable frequent, reliable service on an otherwise quiet track. |
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| For reliable service to smaller towns and villages, electric buses, or even [[ropeways|ropeways]] might make sense, depending on the condition of the roads and other terrain. | For reliable service to smaller towns and villages, electric buses, or even [[ropeways|ropeways]] might make sense, depending on the condition of the roads and other terrain. |
| And of course depending on your setting's geography electric boats, ferries, ships, etc are a sensible option for moving people between towns on a lake or river or coastline. | And of course depending on your setting's geography electric boats, ferries, ships, etc are a sensible option for moving people between towns on a lake or river or coastline. |
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| In this setting, a trip from a rural homestead to the city might look like stoking up a woodgas pickup, riding over crumbling trails to the small town nearby, getting on a bus or ropeway to a larger town, and catching a bullet train to the nearby city. | As an example, a trip from a rural homestead to the city might look like stoking up a woodgas pickup truck, riding over crumbling trails to the small town nearby, getting on a bus or ropeway to a larger town, and catching a bullet train to a major city where local transit options are plentiful. |
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| **Within Towns** | **Within Towns** |
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| If your setting includes the kind of climate-crisis-derived shortages and migration discussed above, then you may also want to consider how this influx of people has reshaped these towns and villages. Perhaps the place is especially dense with small houses and trailers on confusing lots, as existing yards were subdivided into multiple new residences which have gradually formalized as a permanent new additions to the town. Perhaps modern apartment buildings are [[building_materials|under construction]] to improve some of the residents' housing situations. New rail tracks may have been laid, or former tracks returned to service (which can be a contentious process when old tracks have become much-loved bike paths). | Solarpunk towns are likely going to be modeled on 15-minute city principles, with a relatively dense mixed-use layout which ensures people have easy access to at least most of what they need (and can easily easily reach the rest via public transit). A given town might have its most developed area near a public transit stop (perhaps five-over-one residential buildings with public spaces in the first floor) and fade gradually out to single family homes, standalone workshops, etc and eventually the nearby farms which support the town, or it could look a bit more like villages from various places in Europe with a relatively consistent density which cuts off abruptly at the edge of farmland. For larger towns, it's likely they may operate some sort of public transit within the town in addition to whatever transit line connects it to nearby communities. |
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| Outside of town, things might look even more different. An emphasis on local agriculture may bring back some farms, but there's also an excellent opportunity to let wild habitats regrow after decades of endless clearcutting and development. | The character and nature of the town will probably depend on things like local industry and geography but if you'd like some suggestions for locations and elements which should be included, I'd very much recommend looking through the following responses from the /r/solarpunk and slrpnk.net communities: |
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| Its important to consider what happens to the houses and developments spattered across the land between those villages. Exurbs are characterized by the low-density spread of residences, every road with a house a quarter mile from its nearest neighbor, now miles from the new hubs of public transit. Its likely many of these were abandoned long ago, and may be in various states of decline. | * https://slrpnk.net/post/2794425 |
| | * https://www.reddit.com/r/solarpunk/comments/182w2vh/things_a_solarpunk_village_would_need/ |
| | * https://www.reddit.com/r/solarpunk/comments/170etfr/what_would_you_like_to_see_in_art_of_a_rural/ |
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| | For a very basic summary you may want to include: |
| | * A mix of housing including apartment buildings, multi-family homes, standalone houses, tiny homes (possibly used for visitors to the village, or people who simply don’t need much space or want to set up in a spot which can't support a larger building) |
| | * Outdoor third place public areas like food forests, parks, playgrounds, a clear area for a farmer’s market/sports fields, community gardens, public amphitheater, and of course hiking, cross country skiing, snowshoeing opportunities in the surrounding areas. |
| | * Indoor third places like public workshops/makerspaces, places of worship, meeting rooms, theaters, cafeterias. |
| | * Electricity needs being met locally, perhaps from a mix of local generation including a solar farm and rooftop solar, wind turbines, water wheels (or hydroelectric generation where it makes sense though this is often operated at a larger scale), Anaerobic Biogas Generation from processing sewage, even a set of emergency generators converted to run on woodgas. |
| | * Sustainable agriculture, possibly including seven-layer food forests, other agroforestry such as alley cropping, depending on the local climate. Greenhouses/walipinis set into south-facing hills (or north-facing in the southern hemisphere), compost windrows with negative pressure airflow pulling CO2 into the greenhouses. |
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| | If your solarpunk society is built around library economics, that should still be quite applicable at the town and village level - instead of shops for durable goods, you might find libraries specializing in tools, appliances, homegoods, and a [[repairability_in_solarpunk|series of workshops and fabricators which support them with repairs and new production]]. The distribution of consumable goods might look more like how it does today, just with more guarantees to ensure people's needs are met, but that's very much up to you and how utopian your setting is. |
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| | If your setting includes the kind of climate-crisis-derived shortages and migration discussed above, then you may also want to consider how this influx of people has reshaped these towns and villages. Perhaps the place is especially dense with small houses and trailers on confusing lots, as existing yards were subdivided into multiple new residences which have gradually formalized as a permanent new additions to the town. If things were worse, perhaps encampments or slums have slowly formalized into dense new neighborhoods. Perhaps modern apartment buildings are [[building_materials|under construction]] to improve some of the residents' housing situations. Swaths of land may have been cleared and new train tracks may have been laid, or former tracks returned to service (which can be a contentious process when old tracks have become much-loved bike paths). |
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| | Outside of town, things might look even more different. An emphasis on local agriculture may bring back some farms, but there's also an excellent opportunity to let wild habitats recover after decades of ceaseless clearcutting and development. It'd be a bit of an understatement to say that the rural areas of a hundred-some years ago were rough on wild habitats. A solarpunk society may practice more balanced farming practices on smaller plots, and strive to conserve and protect huge swaths of land. |
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| | It's important to consider what happens to the interstate-age houses and developments spattered across the land between the newly-dense villages. Exurbs are characterized by the low-density spread of residences, every road with a house a quarter mile from its nearest neighbor, now miles from the new hubs of public transit. It's likely many of these were abandoned long ago, and may be in various states of decline. |
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| In some cases, old buildings could be put back into use. Perhaps they’re nearby something the rebuilding society needs. Maybe one development will make for a good farming community, and another the barracks of a logging camp. Maybe one near a river can support trade or fishing. But there will be others that are simply not very useful. They were practical enough for semi-suburban life when gas was cheap, cars were plentiful, and roads were maintained. But in a world where most people have other priorities, live in closer communities, use public transportation, and aren’t interested in rebuilding a car-centric world, these houses don’t make sense. | In some cases, old buildings could be put back into use. Perhaps they’re nearby something the rebuilding society needs. Maybe one development will make for a good farming community, and another the barracks of a logging camp. Maybe one near a river can support trade or fishing. But there will be others that are simply not very useful. They were practical enough for semi-suburban life when gas was cheap, cars were plentiful, and roads were maintained. But in a world where most people have other priorities, live in closer communities, use public transportation, and aren’t interested in rebuilding a car-centric world, these houses don’t make sense. |
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| For these houses, and for those which are located in unsafe locations (such as on a floodplain, above an unstable/eroding cliff, or in a likely wildfire area) [[deconstruction|deconstruction]] followed by rewilding might be a very practical answer to both the long term threat posed by these structures and to the recovering society's own building material needs. The linked page covers most of the specifics but there's really a range of options here. This could be a sweeping, formalized effort to remove dangerous buildings and produce new conserved wild parks while feeding usable materials and items into a library economy, it could essentially be unmanaged looting committed by nearby communities trying to overcome scarcity in supplies, or anything in between. | For these houses, or those which are impractically and inefficiently designed, or for those which are located in unsafe locations (such as on a floodplain, above an unstable/eroding cliff, or in a likely wildfire area) [[deconstruction|deconstruction]] followed by rewilding might be a very practical answer to both the long term threat posed by these structures and to the recovering society's own building material needs. The linked page covers most of the specifics but there's really a range of options here. This could be a sweeping, formalized effort to remove dangerous buildings and produce new conserved wild parks while feeding usable materials and items into a library economy, it could essentially be unmanaged looting committed by nearby communities trying to overcome scarcity in supplies, or anything in between. |
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| As for the farms, homesteads, and other holdouts, I'd suggest looking for aspects of solarpunk which are easy to arrive at independently because they work, especially in times of scarcity. It takes all kinds to make a world, but there are a lot of solarpunk practices which make sense through a lens of rugged individualism and would be an easy starting point for someone who isn't ideologically aligned with the rest of the movement. Solar panels and water wheels allow you to live comfortably without relying on a company or local electric co-op for your power, even when storms would have caused outages. Solar hot water heaters or solar cookers let you heat water or prepare food with no fuel. Solarpunk farming practices such as replenishing soil with biochar and radial chipped wood, building resilient living fences, operating [[winter_greenhouses|passive greenhouses]], using bait trees in orchards, can all make sense when external inputs like chemical fertilizers, pesticides, and fuel are hard to come by. It's possible that people in these regions will still be comparatively conservative in the solarpunk future, but would look quite progressive or forward-thinking to a modern audience because these practices have been enabled and essentially been made the default the way that unsustainable, consumerist ones are today. | **Homesteads** |
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| | As for the farms, homesteads, and other holdouts, I'd suggest looking for aspects of solarpunk which are easy to arrive at independently because they work, especially in times of scarcity. It takes all kinds to make a world, but there are a lot of solarpunk practices which make sense through a lens of rugged individualism and would be an easy starting point for someone who isn't ideologically aligned with the rest of the movement. Solar panels and water wheels allow you to live comfortably without relying on a company or local electric co-op for your power, even when storms would have caused outages. Solar hot water heaters or solar cookers let you heat water or prepare food with no fuel. Solarpunk farming practices such as [[https://www.fs.usda.gov/nac/practices/index.shtml|agroforestry]], replenishing soil with [[https://medium.com/local-carbon-network/biochar-and-the-mechanisms-of-nutrient-retention-and-exchange-in-the-soil-e733dacdc3ea|biochar]] and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramial_chipped_wood|ramial chipped wood]], building [[https://www.motherearthnews.com/homesteading-and-livestock/living-fences-zmaz10onzraw/|resilient living fences]], operating [[winter_greenhouses|passive greenhouses]], using [[https://www.facebook.com/groups/21070015101/posts/10158975899375102/|bait]] [[https://archive.is/MSpKO|trees]] in orchards, can all make sense when external inputs like chemical fertilizers, pesticides, and fuel are hard to come by. It's possible that people in these regions would still be comparatively conservative in your solarpunk future, but would look quite progressive or forward-thinking to a modern audience because these practices have been enabled and essentially been made the default the way that unsustainable, consumerist ones are today. |
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| | There are also some interesting opportunities here to consider what kinds of modifications may be necessary to transform an old exurban home into a self-sufficient homestead. From power generation to [[solarpunk_networks|communication technology]], to general layout and the use of space, there are a lot of possibilities for changes which might be layered onto one another. Turning lawns into farms is the obvious starting point, but they'll likely need to add outbuildings as various tasks which used to be accomplished by long drives to (or delivery from) the larger society must be accomplished by a much smaller network of nearby holdouts. This might include things like sawmills, sap houses, ice houses or root cellars, vehicle maintenance sheds for a larger collection of machinery, etc. Operating more or less alone has a much larger independent footprint than being part of a close community. |
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| === Vehicles === | === Vehicles === |
| Our page on [[seasonal_roads|seasonal roads]] offers some recommendations on the kinds of modifications people might make to their personal vehicles if the scope and scale of the road network has been reduced enough that areas with cold, snowy winters are no longer working ([[road_salt|and causing ecological damage]]) to keep them clear to bare pavement all winter. | Our page on [[seasonal_roads|seasonal roads]] offers some recommendations on the kinds of modifications people might make to their personal vehicles if the scope and scale of the road network has been reduced enough that areas with cold, snowy winters are no longer working ([[road_salt|and causing ecological damage]]) to keep them clear to bare pavement all winter. |
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| To add to this, its worth noting that the big 18-wheeler trucks which currently cover a large portion of our overland cargo transportation needs generally require better roads than regular passenger traffic. Transporting large amounts of cargo to or from places which aren't served by train lines or ports is a challenge which could be met [[https://canadiandefencereview.com/arctic-sovereignty-airships-for-the-arctic/|with airships]] or even [[https://slrpnk.net/post/9173975|temporary, lightweight narrow gauge railways]], which saw use before the availability of combustion engines and were generally laid for the duration of a specific task and moved once the project was finished. The narrow gauge would likely limit the speed and weight of any uses. Road construction and maintenance is certainly possible in these circumstances, though it may be contentious within the setting, as are stranger options like [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overland_train|overland trains]] which may make sense in some extremely limited use-cases. | To add to this, it's worth noting that the big 18-wheeler trucks which currently cover a large portion of our overland cargo transportation needs generally require better roads than regular passenger traffic. Transporting large amounts of cargo to or from places which aren't served by train lines or ports is a challenge which could be met [[https://canadiandefencereview.com/arctic-sovereignty-airships-for-the-arctic/|with airships]] or even [[https://slrpnk.net/post/9173975|temporary, lightweight narrow gauge railways]], which saw use before the availability of combustion engines and were generally laid for the duration of a specific task and moved once the project was finished. The narrow gauge would likely limit the speed and weight of any uses. Road construction and maintenance is certainly possible in these circumstances, though it may be contentious within the setting, as are stranger options like [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overland_train|overland trains]] which may make sense in some extremely limited use-cases. |
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| You'll still see plenty of personal vehicles out there, possibly more electric ones as it's easier to make your own electricity than it is to make your own gasoline or diesel. Woodgas conversion vegicles might also make sense for something you drive into town on special trips. | |
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| Travel might look like stoking up a woodgas pickup, riding over crumbling roads to the small town nearby, and getting on a bullet train to the nearby city. It wouldn't be much different from how my grandparents did things. | You'll still see plenty of personal vehicles out there, possibly more electric ones as it's easier to make your own electricity than it is to make your own gasoline or diesel. Woodgas conversion vehicles might also make sense for something you drive into town on special trips. |
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